What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...
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- The problem is that corporations will always be smarter, more capable, and more ruthless than individuals.
Corporations have much greater financial resources.
Corporations can harness the time, energy, and abilities of numerous individuals to serve the corporation's goals.
Corporations have a much longer time horizon.
Corporations are able to hire lobbyists, and make much larger campaign contributions to the Congressmen who make laws.
Corporations are inhuman, and care only about profit.
Trumpcare represents the triumph of health insurance companies over the individual citizens in the US. Not the current bill, which is DOA in the Senate, but whatever they eventually roll out a 3 to 5 years from now. You can bet that it will be written for the benefit of the insurance companies, at the expense of individuals. Insurance companies will be able to insure only the people they want, and with no limitations on what they can charge.
Even though Trump himself knows that single payer is a better system.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 01:43 AM - Hide
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Even though Trump himself knows that single payer is a better system.
most educated people know that single payer is the best system
that's why every civilized (and many second rate countries) country has it
canada, australia, uk, switzerland, israel, etc.
even mexico has it
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 01:45 AM - Hide
- Single payer produces absolutely shitty healthcare systems. If you're suffering from anything more complex than a hang-nail, single payer has proven to be a complete clusterfuck.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 01:47 AM - Hide
- . posted:Single payer produces absolutely shitty healthcare systems. If you're suffering from anything more complex than a hang-nail, single payer has proven to be a complete clusterfuck.
I guess that's why all the countries on this list use it.
https://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 01:52 AM - Hide
- . posted:I guess that's why all the countries on this list use it.
https://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/
And it sucks for all of them. I have friends who live in Canada and the UK and NONE of them have anything positive to say about their government healthcare. It's absolute shit with incredible wait times, absurd rationing, and incredibly incompetent doctors who have no motivation to do anything but the bare minimum.
Fuck you to the assholes who try to pass off single payer as being quality medicine. It's simply not.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 01:54 AM - Hide
- . posted:Single payer produces absolutely shitty healthcare systems. If you're suffering from anything more complex than a hang-nail, single payer has proven to be a complete clusterfuck.
Yep. Think of VA hospitals in America and THAT'S what you'll get with single payer. It's a nightmare.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 01:55 AM - Hide
- . posted:And it sucks for all of them. I have friends who live in Canada and the UK and NONE of them have anything positive to say about their government healthcare. It's absolute shit with incredible wait times, absurd rationing, and incredibly incompetent doctors who have no motivation to do anything but the bare minimum.
Fuck you to the assholes who try to pass off single payer as being quality medicine. It's simply not.
There are buttplugs in every country who like to sit around and bitch.
Take you, for example.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 01:56 AM - Hide
- . posted:. posted:I guess that's why all the countries on this list use it.
https://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/
And it sucks for all of them. I have friends who live in Canada and the UK and NONE of them have anything positive to say about their government healthcare. It's absolute shit with incredible wait times, absurd rationing, and incredibly incompetent doctors who have no motivation to do anything but the bare minimum.
Fuck you to the assholes who try to pass off single payer as being quality medicine. It's simply not.
I guess that's why all those countries decided to stick with it.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 02:00 AM - Hide
- . posted:I guess that's why all those countries decided to stick with it.
Socialists aren't known for making smart decisions, brainiac. Look at France: they had a chance to take back their country and make it a safe and prosperous place. Instead, they elect a retard with mommy issues who will not protect the French people.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 02:04 AM - Hide
- . posted:. posted:I guess that's why all those countries decided to stick with it.
Socialists aren't known for making smart decisions, brainiac. Look at France: they had a chance to take back their country and make it a safe and prosperous place. Instead, they elect a retard with mommy issues who will not protect the French people.
Japan and South Korea are both on the list of countries with single payer systems - you think they are socialist countries?
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 02:52 AM - Hide
- . posted:And it sucks for all of them. I have friends who live in Canada and the UK and NONE of them have anything positive to say about their government healthcare. It's absolute shit with incredible wait times, absurd rationing, and incredibly incompetent doctors who have no motivation to do anything but the bare minimum.
Fuck you to the assholes who try to pass off single payer as being quality medicine. It's simply not.
Complete and utter drivel.
The UK's NHS is available to all, free at point of delivery and is first-world in every sense of the phrase.
You need a procedure to extract your cranium from your rectum.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 03:41 AM - Hide
- . posted:. posted:. posted:I guess that's why all those countries decided to stick with it.
Socialists aren't known for making smart decisions, brainiac. Look at France: they had a chance to take back their country and make it a safe and prosperous place. Instead, they elect a retard with mommy issues who will not protect the French people.
Japan and South Korea are both on the list of countries with single payer systems - you think they are socialist countries? 
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 03:48 AM - Hide
- . posted:Japan and South Korea are both on the list of countries with single payer systems - you think they are socialist countries?
What are you, a moron? Japan and Korea have single payer in name only. Most importantly, both countries haven't been flooded with third world shitskins and that makes a huge difference in a healthcare system.
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- . posted:Insurance companies will be able to insure only the people they want, and with no limitations on what they can charge.
Why would this be bad? Why not let the free market decide what insurance rates should be?
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 03:51 AM - Hide
- a dot nother dot Brit posted:Complete and utter drivel.
The UK's NHS is available to all, free at point of delivery and is first-world in every sense of the phrase.
You need a procedure to extract your cranium from your rectum.
Bull-fucking-shit, asswipe. The NHS is a wretched medieval shit show that is far removed from world-class healthcare. And I know PLENTY of Brits who willingly cop to that fact.
Don't try to peddle your lies here, fuckface.
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- . posted:. posted:Insurance companies will be able to insure only the people they want, and with no limitations on what they can charge.
Why would this be bad? Why not let the free market decide what insurance rates should be?
It would be bad because eventually EVERYONE gets old and more likely to get sick. If insurance companies had their way, they would only insure younger healthy people, and would cancel people's policies (or jack up the rates to extreme levels) once people passed a certain age or showed any symptoms of illness.
Insurance companies have successfully convinced huge swathes of the US population that only poor people get sick, when the reality is that everyone gets sicker as they get older.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 04:55 AM - Hide
- Hospital utilization and costs varied substantially in relationship to patient and hospital
characteristics.
The rate of hospitalization was highest among infants, which included hospital births (newborns), at
1,070.9 stays per 1,000 population. With the exception of infants, the hospitalization rate increased
with age from 21.1 stays per 1,000 population among 1-17 year olds to 502.0 stays per 1,000
population among those aged 85 years and older.
Adults aged 18-44 years had the shortest average length of stay (3.6 days), followed by infants and
children up to 17 years of age (3.8 to 3.9 days). Among adults, lengths of stay were longer as patient
age increased, with adults aged 65 years and older having the longest average length of stay (5.2
days). Average cost per stay was lowest for infants ($5,000) and highest for adults aged 45-84 years
($12,900 to $13,000).
Females had a higher rate of hospitalization (132.0 stays per 1,000 population) than males (99.9
stays per 1,000 population). The average length of a hospital stay was shorter for females than for
males (4.3 vs. 4.8 days), and the average cost of a hospital stay was lower for females than for males
($9,400 vs. $11,700). It is important to note that maternal stays for females admitted for pregnancy
and delivery were included in this analysis. Analyses excluding maternal and neonatal (newborn)
stays showed the same relative differences between males and females (data not shown). Excluding
maternal and neonatal conditions and compared with males, females had a higher rate of
hospitalization (93.9 vs. 86.9 stays per 1,000 population), a shorter average length of stay (4.8 vs. 5.0
days), and lower average cost per stay ($11,400 vs. $12,800).
Medicare paid for the largest number of hospitalizations (14.3 million stays), followed by private
insurance (11.2 million stays) and Medicaid (7.6 million stays). About 2 million hospital stays were for
patients without insurance. Patients covered by Medicare experienced the longest average length of
stay (5.2 days), and privately insured patients had the shortest average length of stay (3.8 days).
Average cost per stay was highest for Medicare hospitalizations ($12,200) and lowest for Medicaid
hospital stays ($8,100).
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- . posted:the hospitalization rate increased
with age from 21.1 stays per 1,000 population among 1-17 year olds to 502.0 stays per 1,000
population among those aged 85 years and older.
50% chance of hospitalization above age 85
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- Any social program will be exactly as good as the people contributing to it. Import garbage people and you will get garbage social programs.
The OP said Cuba and Mexico have universal health care. How is that working out for them?
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 05:15 AM - Hide
- Kingmambo posted:Any social program will be exactly as good as the people contributing to it. Import garbage people and you will get garbage social programs.
The OP said Cuba and Mexico have universal health care. How is that working out for them?
Three of your favorite countries (Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore) are on the universal healthcare list posted earlier in this thread. They were smart enough to choose the best option for their citizens. Care to comment on that?
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- . posted:Bull-fucking-shit, asswipe. The NHS is a wretched medieval shit show that is far removed from world-class healthcare. And I know PLENTY of Brits who willingly cop to that fact.
Don't try to peddle your lies here, fuckface.
Still drivel.
Abuse doesn't smear your angry assertions with the holy chrism of veracity, accuracy or intelligence.
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- Re: What's happening with US healthcare system illustrates the core problem with capitalism...Posted 05/08/2017 05:30 AM : Edited 05/08/2017 05:30 AM - Hide
- Impose severe penalties upon the social filth who currently call an ambulance to have their brat transported to the local county hospital where the free care is provided to... the fucking brat of the Negro, Beaner or White trash filth whose vile spawn who has been paid for from conception on by the taxpayer who has a FUCKING COLD!!!
Talk to the admitting fuckers at your local county hospital where the welfare cases go. Those fuckers MUST be consulted before any national health care is implemented.
The USA has way too many slovenly bums and trash and filth for a totally free health care system to function (free in that the cost is hidden from the user at the point-of-purchase arena).
The welfare cases of the land will not pay the costs. Productive fuckers will pay. Ensure there is no wastage or fraud. Flog the filth taking advantage as users. Docs and others committing fraud need to be flogged and sentenced to hard labor.
Docs and RNs are to important to waste their talents. If those fuckers commit fraud forced medical work in the most undesirable locales of the USA for lengthy periods and wages attached until retribution is done.
A military dictatorship has the balls to do what needs doing to curtail wastage and abuse and fraud.
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- . posted:Three of your favorite countries (Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore) are on the universal healthcare list posted earlier in this thread. They were smart enough to choose the best option for their citizens. Care to comment on that?
How many illegals and other human pigeons do those countries support?
You can have Nice Things, or you can have Diversitee. America chose poorly, and now Americans can't have Nice Things.
The End.