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  • I don't understand the software profession

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    • Posted 05/03/2017 10:09 AM - Hide
    • Jobs ask for 3-5 years of ANDROID or skill X experience. Lets say you rack up 10 years in that. Then it goes out of style and they use some new exotic language for Android. Now your skills can't even get you a job bagging groceries. So what do you do? You work on some app in the new skill, and it still won't be good for employers because you don't have enough experience in it.

      A few years ago everyone wanted Angular. Now it is definitely fizzling out.

      If I knew this 15-20 years ago I would NEVER have gone into this shit. It is a losing game, unless you can create a company on your own.
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      Posted 05/03/2017 10:11 AM - Hide
    • There are some companies (like google) for example who don't hire for a platform. But the flip side of the coin is they look for brilliant people who could get into Stanford or Harvard. It is extremely competitive to get into there. The idea being you will be able to pick up anything quickly on their dime, but you have to be very smart for that.
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      Jobs ask for 3-5 years of ANDROID or skill X experience. Lets say you rack up 10 years in that. Then it goes out of style and they use some new exotic language for Android. Now your skills can't even get you a job bagging groceries. So what do you do? You work on some app in the new skill, and it still won't be good for employers because you don't have enough experience in it.

      A few years ago everyone wanted Angular. Now it is definitely fizzling out.

      If I knew this 15-20 years ago I would NEVER have gone into this shit. It is a losing game, unless you can create a company on your own.

      It is really worse than that these days. It's a churning mill of new languages, frameworks, databases, libraries, cloud services that changes every 3 months with a constant influx of third world shitty coders who have zero idea what they are doing. Github repositories for everything under the sun, none of them maintained. Endless new pieces of hardware.

      And 5 companies that control everything.
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
      Posted 05/03/2017 10:16 AM - Hide
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      Jobs ask for 3-5 years of ANDROID or skill X experience. Lets say you rack up 10 years in that. Then it goes out of style and they use some new exotic language for Android. Now your skills can't even get you a job bagging groceries. So what do you do? You work on some app in the new skill, and it still won't be good for employers because you don't have enough experience in it.

      A few years ago everyone wanted Angular. Now it is definitely fizzling out.

      If I knew this 15-20 years ago I would NEVER have gone into this shit. It is a losing game, unless you can create a company on your own.

      It is really worse than that these days. It's a churning mill of new languages, frameworks, databases, libraries, cloud services that changes every 3 months with a constant influx of third world shitty coders who have zero idea what they are doing. Github repositories for everything under the sun, none of them maintained. Endless new pieces of hardware.

      And 5 companies that control everything.

      It is really horrible. Even if you are a mobile developer, there is native (obj c or swift or java). Then the is Xamarin, Cordoba, React-native, and about 10 others. Jobs are specific about the skill they want. Many want crazy combinations of different skills. Then they hire some 21 yo Indian who takes 60K and creates some clusterfuck for the next sucker to maintain.
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
      Posted 05/03/2017 10:17 AM - Hide
    • I'm thinking if you start working on some open source project, contribute to it, fix bugs, etc that could be a way to get hired. I don't know. That may get you into FB or google, but you may have to do a year of free work.
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
      Posted 05/03/2017 10:25 AM - Hide
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      Why do you think they have all those tech startups? Even for the top talent they get fucked over.

      This company CLAIMS to hire the top 3% of talent. Compensation ?

      Data Engineer - Python or Scala $48k - 102k | Equity
      Toptal

      At least they are realistic.

      50K on a some Indonesian Island will let you live like a fucking king.
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
      Posted 05/03/2017 10:27 AM - Hide
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      Why do you think they have all those tech startups? Even for the top talent they get fucked over.

      This company CLAIMS to hire the top 3% of talent. Compensation ?

      Data Engineer - Python or Scala $48k - 102k | Equity
      Toptal

      At least they are realistic.

      50K on a some Indonesian Island will let you live like a fucking king.

      If you are supposedly the top 3% of talent why not put apps in the appstore and get rich from them? Who the fuck needs toptal?
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      Posted 05/03/2017 10:31 AM - Hide
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      Why do you think they have all those tech startups? Even for the top talent they get fucked over.

      This company CLAIMS to hire the top 3% of talent. Compensation ?

      Data Engineer - Python or Scala $48k - 102k | Equity
      Toptal

      At least they are realistic.

      50K on a some Indonesian Island will let you live like a fucking king.

      If you are supposedly the top 3% of talent why not put apps in the appstore and get rich from them? Who the fuck needs toptal?

      That is another myth. Not saying you can't make money in the appstore, but I read that is similar to the dating market, where 90% of women want 10% of men. I think the statistics are even harsher. Most apps are lucky to make pennies. If you went in back in 2008 you would have had a much better chance. It is more saturated than the Pacific Ocean now.
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
      Posted 05/03/2017 10:42 AM - Hide
    • AND YET...ALL, let me repeat that, ALL Fortune 500 corporations in America (and the equivalent in ALL European countries) still, STILL run MAINFRAMES. If you can code bespoke applications to run on mainframe, and if you know mainframe utilities, then you LITERALLY have a job for life.

      Oh, you might not be making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Then again, how many people at Google et al make that? AND, you won't have to live in San FAGcisco or JEW York.

      You can have a much, much better standard of living and quality of life, a job for life, and work for a proper company, from Harley Davidson to Boeing, to GM to Heinz, to Exxon to EVERY FUCKING COMPANY!

      "Mainframe is dead! Client server will replace it!"
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      :winner:

      :crickets:

      "Andoid is the latest thing. Suckers still working on mainframe!"
      \
      :winner2:

      :crickets:
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      AND YET...ALL, let me repeat that, ALL Fortune 500 corporations in America (and the equivalent in ALL European countries) still, STILL run MAINFRAMES. If you can code bespoke applications to run on mainframe, and if you know mainframe utilities, then you LITERALLY have a job for life.

      Oh, you might not be making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Then again, how many people at Google et al make that? AND, you won't have to live in San FAGcisco or JEW York.

      You can have a much, much better standard of living and quality of life, a job for life, and work for a proper company, from Harley Davidson to Boeing, to GM to Heinz, to Exxon to EVERY FUCKING COMPANY!

      "Mainframe is dead! Client server will replace it!"
      \
      :winner:

      :crickets:

      "Andoid is the latest thing. Suckers still working on mainframe!"
      \
      :winner2:

      :crickets:

      Every day more mainframes die. Even state gov't gets rid of them.
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
      Posted 05/03/2017 11:10 AM - Hide
    • Software developers are larger than life. We use so much software every day but take it for granted.
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      Posted 05/03/2017 11:20 AM - Hide
    • These IT threads depress me.
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      Posted 05/03/2017 11:23 AM - Hide
    • There are plenty of software contracting jobs in SF paying 35-65/hr, maybe benefits maybe not. 35X2000 is about 70K/yr, maybe 80 with some OT.
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      There are plenty of software contracting jobs in SF paying 35-65/hr, maybe benefits maybe not. 35X2000 is about 70K/yr, maybe 80 with some OT.

      And? 80K sounds like a shitload of money to me. You could find an apt there for 1500 and have money left over.

      People need their shitty luxuries.
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
      Posted 05/03/2017 11:26 AM - Hide
    • Here's my take, forget the hype and if you can solve problems, you're ahead of the twink devs.

      My cash cow web app makes me and my partner close to $2 million a year.

      It's built on old Ruby on Rails, Bootstrap, and jQuery.

      :snicker:
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      I'm thinking if you start working on some open source project, contribute to it, fix bugs, etc that could be a way to get hired. I don't know. That may get you into FB or google, but you may have to do a year of free work.

      your pigenholed to that project, after a year or two it is replaced by the next new thing and you are on maintenance with your skill set going to shit until you quickly find your skill set is obsolete and you want to switch to a different profession.
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      your pigenholed to that project, after a year or two it is replaced by the next new thing and you are on maintenance with your skill set going to shit until you quickly find your skill set is obsolete and you want to switch to a different profession.

      What profession?
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      It is really worse than that these days. It's a churning mill of new languages, frameworks, databases, libraries, cloud services that changes every 3 months with a constant influx of third world shitty coders who have zero idea what they are doing. Github repositories for everything under the sun, none of them maintained. Endless new pieces of hardware.

      And 5 companies that control everything.

      ;trumpthis;
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      That is another myth. Not saying you can't make money in the appstore, but I read that is similar to the dating market, where 90% of women want 10% of men. I think the statistics are even harsher. Most apps are lucky to make pennies. If you went in back in 2008 you would have had a much better chance. It is more saturated than the Pacific Ocean now.

      A friend has an app in Apple's store. As he put it to me:

      "I've made enough to buy a pizza."
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      :milton:
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
      Posted 05/03/2017 11:55 AM - Hide
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      If it is a true thread it is very depressing.

      You gotta come up with a successful, moneymaking idea of your own in the first few years... then bail out. As a corporate career... sucks shit. But then... so do most other corporate careers, so there's THAT
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    • Re: I don't understand the software profession
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    • Rex posted:
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      It is really worse than that these days. It's a churning mill of new languages, frameworks, databases, libraries, cloud services that changes every 3 months with a constant influx of third world shitty coders who have zero idea what they are doing. Github repositories for everything under the sun, none of them maintained. Endless new pieces of hardware.

      And 5 companies that control everything.

      ;trumpthis;

      Every industry is getting like this. Look at professional wrestling. At one time, there were a bunch of territories, there is is one big conglomerate and a few smaller companies where they could make a living.
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